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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/01/12/oh-so-its-the-eras-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-19337</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point Greg about Big Mac and others composing the Steroid Era. Him saying he wished he didn&#039;t play in the Steroid Era makes as much sense as if President Clinton said he wished he wasn&#039;t President during the Lewinsky scandal. Still I just can&#039;t muster the outrage that a lot of people seem to generate instantaneously (http://tv.gawker.com/5445825/brian-williams-slams-mark-mcgwire-on-nbc-nightly-news-over-steroid-admission?autoplay=true) whenever Player X from the Steroid Era gets exposed/&quot;comes clean.&quot; It&#039;s ultimately just sad. It&#039;s no one&#039;s and everyone&#039;s fault. We&#039;re all guilty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Greg about Big Mac and others composing the Steroid Era. Him saying he wished he didn&#8217;t play in the Steroid Era makes as much sense as if President Clinton said he wished he wasn&#8217;t President during the Lewinsky scandal. Still I just can&#8217;t muster the outrage that a lot of people seem to generate instantaneously (<a href="http://tv.gawker.com/5445825/brian-williams-slams-mark-mcgwire-on-nbc-nightly-news-over-steroid-admission?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow">http://tv.gawker.com/5445825/brian-williams-slams-mark-mcgwire-on-nbc-nightly-news-over-steroid-admission?autoplay=true</a>) whenever Player X from the Steroid Era gets exposed/&#8221;comes clean.&#8221; It&#8217;s ultimately just sad. It&#8217;s no one&#8217;s and everyone&#8217;s fault. We&#8217;re all guilty</p>
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		<title>By: Andee</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/01/12/oh-so-its-the-eras-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-19328</link>
		<dc:creator>Andee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really makes me want to puke is the sanctimoniousness of long-time sports media members on this issue.  I&#039;m sorry, but if you (general you) were being paid to cover baseball 10 or 12 years ago, &lt;em&gt;you knew&lt;/em&gt;, and you said nothing, because keeping your plum job was more important to you than the Sanctity of the Sport.  Which is fine, but at least admit it, and know that you, too, took any advantage you could get over people with far more raw talent than yourself.

Those people who broke the BALCO scandal, they risked everything to tell the truth.  They can get up on their high horse if they like.  The rest of them can go eat donut weights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really makes me want to puke is the sanctimoniousness of long-time sports media members on this issue.  I&#8217;m sorry, but if you (general you) were being paid to cover baseball 10 or 12 years ago, <em>you knew</em>, and you said nothing, because keeping your plum job was more important to you than the Sanctity of the Sport.  Which is fine, but at least admit it, and know that you, too, took any advantage you could get over people with far more raw talent than yourself.</p>
<p>Those people who broke the BALCO scandal, they risked everything to tell the truth.  They can get up on their high horse if they like.  The rest of them can go eat donut weights.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D.</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/01/12/oh-so-its-the-eras-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-19325</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a competitor naturally means trying to get an edge over the others.  Greenies just kept somebody awake.   Advantages in medicine means someone today can have Tommy John surgery unlike those from earlier times whose careers ended due to rotar cuff injuries.

To compare that and supplments to roids or HGH is like comparing apples to oranges.  The only player I know who benefited from drugs before the steroid era was Doc Ellis who was on LSD when he no-hit San Diego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a competitor naturally means trying to get an edge over the others.  Greenies just kept somebody awake.   Advantages in medicine means someone today can have Tommy John surgery unlike those from earlier times whose careers ended due to rotar cuff injuries.</p>
<p>To compare that and supplments to roids or HGH is like comparing apples to oranges.  The only player I know who benefited from drugs before the steroid era was Doc Ellis who was on LSD when he no-hit San Diego.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven&#039;t read it already, read Buck O&#039;Neil on steroids in Joe Posnanski&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Baseball-Through-ONeils-America/dp/0060854030&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Soul of Baseball&lt;/a&gt;. Time and again, O&#039;Neil is invited to decry steroids and cheating, and gently demurs, noting that in his day everybody did whatever they could to get an edge, and nothing much has changed.

Plus it&#039;s incredibly moving and sublimely good.

Re Piazza and all the others, I am determined not to be surprised by anything from anybody. It&#039;s the only sane course of action these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t read it already, read Buck O&#8217;Neil on steroids in Joe Posnanski&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Baseball-Through-ONeils-America/dp/0060854030" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Soul of Baseball</a>. Time and again, O&#8217;Neil is invited to decry steroids and cheating, and gently demurs, noting that in his day everybody did whatever they could to get an edge, and nothing much has changed.</p>
<p>Plus it&#8217;s incredibly moving and sublimely good.</p>
<p>Re Piazza and all the others, I am determined not to be surprised by anything from anybody. It&#8217;s the only sane course of action these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceetar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceetar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because Maris or Aaron are older doesn&#039;t mean they didn&#039;t try whatever supplements were available at the time.  It&#039;s silly to try to analyze how much everything counted.

There was little McGuire was going to say that was really going to ..mean anything to us.  Yeah, it&#039;s the Era&#039;s fault, as much as it is his.  I interpreted that as regret at taking them, but knowing that given the opportunity to do it all over, he still would.  All things considered he&#039;d prefer a completely fair and balanced league, but he knows he was going to take any advantage he could get.

Whatever.  Everyone was cheating.  Whether amphetamines, HGH, steroids, etc.  They were rampant. Andro was legal at the time anyway, but McGuire felt no particular guilt at taking it.  He didn&#039;t see it as cheating. no one did. He left it in his locker and one day a reporter saw it and started to make a connection.  The Mitchell report supports that pretty much no one cared and cheating was everywhere.  Lo Duca got shipments to Dodger Stadium for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Maris or Aaron are older doesn&#8217;t mean they didn&#8217;t try whatever supplements were available at the time.  It&#8217;s silly to try to analyze how much everything counted.</p>
<p>There was little McGuire was going to say that was really going to ..mean anything to us.  Yeah, it&#8217;s the Era&#8217;s fault, as much as it is his.  I interpreted that as regret at taking them, but knowing that given the opportunity to do it all over, he still would.  All things considered he&#8217;d prefer a completely fair and balanced league, but he knows he was going to take any advantage he could get.</p>
<p>Whatever.  Everyone was cheating.  Whether amphetamines, HGH, steroids, etc.  They were rampant. Andro was legal at the time anyway, but McGuire felt no particular guilt at taking it.  He didn&#8217;t see it as cheating. no one did. He left it in his locker and one day a reporter saw it and started to make a connection.  The Mitchell report supports that pretty much no one cared and cheating was everywhere.  Lo Duca got shipments to Dodger Stadium for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Gio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly my thoughts, Greg.  I may have even said, &quot;Oh, so it&#039;s the era&#039;s fault?&quot; in the car yesterday when I heard the audio clip.  Today, on ESPN, I heard some more: McGwire commented that it was the evolution of his swing that produced increasingly-ridiculous HR numbers, rather than the juice.  Joel Sherman, via Twitter, relays another McGwire comment that it was &quot;the man upstairs&quot; who deserves the credit.  Are you serious?!  Don&#039;t blame other people for your mistakes, Mark.  ESPN is praising him for &quot;coming clean&quot; and &quot;taking it like a man&quot;; is that what this really is?  Yeah, sure, I was wrapped up in the HR chase back when McGwire was hitting &#039;em out of the park.  We all were, as you said.  Today, though, he makes me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly my thoughts, Greg.  I may have even said, &#8220;Oh, so it&#8217;s the era&#8217;s fault?&#8221; in the car yesterday when I heard the audio clip.  Today, on ESPN, I heard some more: McGwire commented that it was the evolution of his swing that produced increasingly-ridiculous HR numbers, rather than the juice.  Joel Sherman, via Twitter, relays another McGwire comment that it was &#8220;the man upstairs&#8221; who deserves the credit.  Are you serious?!  Don&#8217;t blame other people for your mistakes, Mark.  ESPN is praising him for &#8220;coming clean&#8221; and &#8220;taking it like a man&#8221;; is that what this really is?  Yeah, sure, I was wrapped up in the HR chase back when McGwire was hitting &#8216;em out of the park.  We all were, as you said.  Today, though, he makes me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Intrusivity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intrusivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of articles and blogs that make a pretty good case for Piazza &amp; steroids; allegations of back acne, the coincidence in timing of his sharp decline with baseball getting tougher on PEDs, how a 62nd round pick can become arguably the best offensive catcher in baseball history, and he-said she-said stuff.  

I really hope he didn&#039;t, but it is a reach saying he (or any other Met) never touched the stuff.  The word seems to be that Selig pushed steroids and players, wanting to keep up for competitive and financial reasons, were left to either juice up or be passed by.  I don&#039;t have sympathy for McGwire, but I also think it&#039;s being sort of dishonest to blame our defeats on his (or A-Rod&#039;s, or Sosa&#039;s, or whomever&#039;s) steroid usage.  

And about dignity, I&#039;m not sure you can blame the players for taking advantage of a broken system.  Hating the less proverbial player as opposed to the equally less proverbial game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of articles and blogs that make a pretty good case for Piazza &amp; steroids; allegations of back acne, the coincidence in timing of his sharp decline with baseball getting tougher on PEDs, how a 62nd round pick can become arguably the best offensive catcher in baseball history, and he-said she-said stuff.  </p>
<p>I really hope he didn&#8217;t, but it is a reach saying he (or any other Met) never touched the stuff.  The word seems to be that Selig pushed steroids and players, wanting to keep up for competitive and financial reasons, were left to either juice up or be passed by.  I don&#8217;t have sympathy for McGwire, but I also think it&#8217;s being sort of dishonest to blame our defeats on his (or A-Rod&#8217;s, or Sosa&#8217;s, or whomever&#8217;s) steroid usage.  </p>
<p>And about dignity, I&#8217;m not sure you can blame the players for taking advantage of a broken system.  Hating the less proverbial player as opposed to the equally less proverbial game.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about Piazza.

As he was getting older his home runs did not travel further and his throwing arm got weaker.  Pudge Rodriguez could throw runners out while on his knees while Mike would have difficulty nipping Mo Vaughn. These are not signs of a player on roids or HGH.

It won&#039;t make me look bad, it will make me feel quite disappointed.  If he did, I would hope Mike would come clean and admit it on his own so he can at least retain some of his dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about Piazza.</p>
<p>As he was getting older his home runs did not travel further and his throwing arm got weaker.  Pudge Rodriguez could throw runners out while on his knees while Mike would have difficulty nipping Mo Vaughn. These are not signs of a player on roids or HGH.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t make me look bad, it will make me feel quite disappointed.  If he did, I would hope Mike would come clean and admit it on his own so he can at least retain some of his dignity.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame it on ownership, players, the player&#039;s union or Society,  but don&#039;t blame it on Roger Maris or Hank Aaron and restore those records to those who were cheated out of them and rightfully still deserve to be called the season and all-time home run kings.  Don&#039;t reward the guilty and penalize the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame it on ownership, players, the player&#8217;s union or Society,  but don&#8217;t blame it on Roger Maris or Hank Aaron and restore those records to those who were cheated out of them and rightfully still deserve to be called the season and all-time home run kings.  Don&#8217;t reward the guilty and penalize the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Intrusivity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intrusivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to make all of us look really bad when Piazza admits to using steroids.

If the steroid issue was actually isolated to a small sample of players, these complains would be legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to make all of us look really bad when Piazza admits to using steroids.</p>
<p>If the steroid issue was actually isolated to a small sample of players, these complains would be legitimate.</p>
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