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		<title>By: Rage, Rage Against the Dying of The Streak &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/04/10/mets-fans-not-getting-it-done/comment-page-1/#comment-28691</link>
		<dc:creator>Rage, Rage Against the Dying of The Streak &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There was plenty good on Wednesday, but my mood when I had to handle loss for the first time since Willie Harris snared a sinking liner on April 10, wasn&#8217;t in that category. Losing 8-7 didn&#8217;t leave me in a &#8220;New York State of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There was plenty good on Wednesday, but my mood when I had to handle loss for the first time since Willie Harris snared a sinking liner on April 10, wasn&#8217;t in that category. Losing 8-7 didn&#8217;t leave me in a &#8220;New York State of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Winning Ways of May 11</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Winning Ways of May 11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 00:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] particularly want built when I’m inside it. They’re 8-1 in 2010, including 7-for-7 since Willie Harris besmirched this season’s bid for perfection. They did well with me in attendance last year; they are all but impenetrable with me on hand this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] particularly want built when I’m inside it. They’re 8-1 in 2010, including 7-for-7 since Willie Harris besmirched this season’s bid for perfection. They did well with me in attendance last year; they are all but impenetrable with me on hand this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Winning Ways of May 11 &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/04/10/mets-fans-not-getting-it-done/comment-page-1/#comment-23711</link>
		<dc:creator>The Winning Ways of May 11 &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] particularly want built when I’m inside it. They’re 8-1 in 2010, including 7-for-7 since Willie Harris besmirched this season’s bid for perfection. They did well with me in attendance last year; they are all but impenetrable with me on hand this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] particularly want built when I’m inside it. They’re 8-1 in 2010, including 7-for-7 since Willie Harris besmirched this season’s bid for perfection. They did well with me in attendance last year; they are all but impenetrable with me on hand this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Cup — A Plastic Cup &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/04/10/mets-fans-not-getting-it-done/comment-page-1/#comment-23371</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cup — A Plastic Cup &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] notwithstanding, a pretty popular guy with Mets fans, and the whole notion of LET’S GO METS presumably continues to maintain resonance with the same audience. I personally don’t give a damn about the company that makes the sausages, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] notwithstanding, a pretty popular guy with Mets fans, and the whole notion of LET’S GO METS presumably continues to maintain resonance with the same audience. I personally don’t give a damn about the company that makes the sausages, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Age of Diminished Expectations &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</title>
		<link>http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2010/04/10/mets-fans-not-getting-it-done/comment-page-1/#comment-22231</link>
		<dc:creator>The Age of Diminished Expectations &#171; Faith and Fear in Flushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for Jerry, I don&#8217;t know. Last Saturday, after the ninth inning during which few cheered without electronic tickler, I told my friend Joe that the good thing about this upcoming road trip was if the Mets do badly, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for Jerry, I don&#8217;t know. Last Saturday, after the ninth inning during which few cheered without electronic tickler, I told my friend Joe that the good thing about this upcoming road trip was if the Mets do badly, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CharlieH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlieH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get thee behind me, Satan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get thee behind me, Satan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dak442</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dak442</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie- That quote is spot on.  The business HAS grown too big.  The entire economy of scale is completely out of whack.  Players make too much by a multiple of 10, tickets are similarly overpriced, and even if you don&#039;t go to a game you subsidize billion-dollar stadiums with your taxes and your cable bill.

Baseball is following the path of Broadway.  Instead of catering to a smaller hardcore crowd willing to spend $40 a ticket to go to practically every show, plays are dumbed down for the masses and marketed as &quot;events&quot; you charge three times as much to attend.  

It&#039;s not as if anything is going to change.  I haven&#039;t paid attention to hockey since Messier left the Rangers the first time, but I was hoping that the strike would blow up the entire cost structure, and it would come back smaller - players making low hundreds of thousands, tickets costing $20.  Instead, it seems as if nothing has changed.  If a niche sport can&#039;t start over, baseball certainly won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie- That quote is spot on.  The business HAS grown too big.  The entire economy of scale is completely out of whack.  Players make too much by a multiple of 10, tickets are similarly overpriced, and even if you don&#8217;t go to a game you subsidize billion-dollar stadiums with your taxes and your cable bill.</p>
<p>Baseball is following the path of Broadway.  Instead of catering to a smaller hardcore crowd willing to spend $40 a ticket to go to practically every show, plays are dumbed down for the masses and marketed as &#8220;events&#8221; you charge three times as much to attend.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if anything is going to change.  I haven&#8217;t paid attention to hockey since Messier left the Rangers the first time, but I was hoping that the strike would blow up the entire cost structure, and it would come back smaller &#8211; players making low hundreds of thousands, tickets costing $20.  Instead, it seems as if nothing has changed.  If a niche sport can&#8217;t start over, baseball certainly won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andee,

You&#039;re 100% correct when it comes to multi-year contracts.  No incentive and even no fear which we all really need to bring out our best.  Long before free agency and the wild card system, September was known for two types of drives: one for the team (the pennant drive) and one for themselves (the salary drive).  For other than the fringe player, that doesn&#039;t exist any more.  Players sign long-term contracts with guaranteed amounts and incentive clauses but never ones with season-by season financial escape clauses for owners should they perform below par.  

One would hope with their financial future no longer in question players would focus on team play and actually take losses much harder.  But that is not the case until their skills go down and they mature enough to appreciate the game itself.  A prime example is first-year free agent Ken Holtzman who said he didn&#039;t care if he didn&#039;t pitch at all as long as he got paid - later on, when that began to happen he became very unhappy and admitted he was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andee,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re 100% correct when it comes to multi-year contracts.  No incentive and even no fear which we all really need to bring out our best.  Long before free agency and the wild card system, September was known for two types of drives: one for the team (the pennant drive) and one for themselves (the salary drive).  For other than the fringe player, that doesn&#8217;t exist any more.  Players sign long-term contracts with guaranteed amounts and incentive clauses but never ones with season-by season financial escape clauses for owners should they perform below par.  </p>
<p>One would hope with their financial future no longer in question players would focus on team play and actually take losses much harder.  But that is not the case until their skills go down and they mature enough to appreciate the game itself.  A prime example is first-year free agent Ken Holtzman who said he didn&#8217;t care if he didn&#8217;t pitch at all as long as he got paid &#8211; later on, when that began to happen he became very unhappy and admitted he was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets face it, the game is not played in between the ears as well as it once was,  but this is not what recent generations of Met fans respond to!
Instant gratification and Baseball dont mix!! 
So lower your expectations and sit back and relax kids..And if your urges to win become too great. You can always do what many Met fans did in 76, 77, 78 and shift your loyalties to the Bronx..
Rich P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets face it, the game is not played in between the ears as well as it once was,  but this is not what recent generations of Met fans respond to!<br />
Instant gratification and Baseball dont mix!!<br />
So lower your expectations and sit back and relax kids..And if your urges to win become too great. You can always do what many Met fans did in 76, 77, 78 and shift your loyalties to the Bronx..<br />
Rich P</p>
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		<title>By: Andee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 04:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paying the players nothing, or nearly so, wouldn&#039;t do anything to reduce the price of a game ticket.  College players don&#039;t get paid, other than in scholarships, but it still costs a few internal organs to get in and see them.  

The Mets and Yankees and pretty much every other team out there with a stadium built since 1992 have been drooling over the revenue possibilities of a new stadium with luxury boxes and luxury prices ever since Camden Yards sprang up.  Are there any owners now who DON&#039;T put revenue first?  If pressed, they&#039;d probably all admit they&#039;d rather turn a profit with a losing team than be in the red with a winner.

Anyway, I could give a crap about how &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; the players are paid; why should the owners make all the money?  It&#039;s how &lt;em&gt;long&lt;/em&gt; they&#039;re paid that&#039;s often the problem.  Long-term contracts frequently turn into albatrosses that teams can&#039;t get rid of if the player turns out to be a bust.  That is why I think they were right not to get into a bidding war over John Lackey, and wind up with a 6- or 7-year deal with a pitcher on the north side of 30 with a history of injury problems.  If they wanted to pay him $25 million for one year, fine.  But his agent would never have even accepted that as a bid.

Problem was, there wasn&#039;t a whole lot else available, but when things are this desperate, the fans feel like they should have gotten someone, anyone, no matter who or what they had to give up to get them.  And then, of course, those same people would have whined incessantly that we gave up Ike Davis, or whoever, for some schlub who blew out his arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paying the players nothing, or nearly so, wouldn&#8217;t do anything to reduce the price of a game ticket.  College players don&#8217;t get paid, other than in scholarships, but it still costs a few internal organs to get in and see them.  </p>
<p>The Mets and Yankees and pretty much every other team out there with a stadium built since 1992 have been drooling over the revenue possibilities of a new stadium with luxury boxes and luxury prices ever since Camden Yards sprang up.  Are there any owners now who DON&#8217;T put revenue first?  If pressed, they&#8217;d probably all admit they&#8217;d rather turn a profit with a losing team than be in the red with a winner.</p>
<p>Anyway, I could give a crap about how <em>much</em> the players are paid; why should the owners make all the money?  It&#8217;s how <em>long</em> they&#8217;re paid that&#8217;s often the problem.  Long-term contracts frequently turn into albatrosses that teams can&#8217;t get rid of if the player turns out to be a bust.  That is why I think they were right not to get into a bidding war over John Lackey, and wind up with a 6- or 7-year deal with a pitcher on the north side of 30 with a history of injury problems.  If they wanted to pay him $25 million for one year, fine.  But his agent would never have even accepted that as a bid.</p>
<p>Problem was, there wasn&#8217;t a whole lot else available, but when things are this desperate, the fans feel like they should have gotten someone, anyone, no matter who or what they had to give up to get them.  And then, of course, those same people would have whined incessantly that we gave up Ike Davis, or whoever, for some schlub who blew out his arm.</p>
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