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		<title>By: Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you guys--you are so right, Jason</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Told you. Fucking K-Rod. My loathing for him could melt lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Told you. Fucking K-Rod. My loathing for him could melt lead.</p>
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		<title>By: John Isom</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Isom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half way through 162 games: if the season ended today, the Mets would be...

...the NL wild-card team!

ya gotta believe!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half way through 162 games: if the season ended today, the Mets would be&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;the NL wild-card team!</p>
<p>ya gotta believe!!</p>
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		<title>By: FRANKIE SEZ: WELCOME TO THE NO LEAD LEFT BEHIND PROGRAM &#124; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRANKIE SEZ: WELCOME TO THE NO LEAD LEFT BEHIND PROGRAM &#124; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jason Fry has a great post on the events of last night game in D.C. and the fact as Mets fans we are on the edge of our seats when the Mets have a late inning lead. Part of it is our paranoia over the bullpen but the bulk of our fear is the way Jerry Manuel misuses his relief core. I also find it hysterical that some of the comments on that post are chastising fans for calling our the managerial flaws of Jerry Manuel with the simplistic refrain old “hey the team is winning he must be doing something right”  but the don’t list what those “right things”. Folks the Mets are winning in spite of Manuel, it helps that D-Wright has found his game elite game and Angel Pagan has matured and that Big Pelf, Jon Niese, Ike Davis and even Ruben Tejada have mature and given this team the shot of young blood we have been craving. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jason Fry has a great post on the events of last night game in D.C. and the fact as Mets fans we are on the edge of our seats when the Mets have a late inning lead. Part of it is our paranoia over the bullpen but the bulk of our fear is the way Jerry Manuel misuses his relief core. I also find it hysterical that some of the comments on that post are chastising fans for calling our the managerial flaws of Jerry Manuel with the simplistic refrain old “hey the team is winning he must be doing something right”  but the don’t list what those “right things”. Folks the Mets are winning in spite of Manuel, it helps that D-Wright has found his game elite game and Angel Pagan has matured and that Big Pelf, Jon Niese, Ike Davis and even Ruben Tejada have mature and given this team the shot of young blood we have been craving. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt from Sunnyside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt from Sunnyside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 17:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of those points, especially about Nieve and overusing guys. The main reason Nieve is basically useless right now is because Manuel completely wore him out at the beginning of the season, and now the guy can&#039;t seem to get his confidence back. And I hope that didn&#039;t read like I was attacking you, in particular. I actually read (and was irritated by) Simon&#039;s critique before your post was up.

But, with the bullpen, Manuel does seem to be trying to set Parnell up for an 8th inning role. That was a failed experiment last year, so he&#039;s been cautious, but he has been consistent in keeping Parnell&#039;s work to one full inning lately. Mostly the 7th. And, it made sense to me that he didn&#039;t want to throw Rodriguez into a 5-1 game in the 9th. Putting Feliciano in yet again to get one out? I&#039;m not sure about his thinking there. It&#039;s Adam Dunn, sure, but geez. Give Feliciano a night off every now and then. Once it started looking like the inning might get away from Dessens, though, I think he went to his best remaining option to shut the door, and K-Rod, as usual, made it a tear out your hair and avert your eyes type of deal. I have trouble believing that Jerry was just trying to give him a free save opportunity.

Anyway, Manuel definitely has his faults, and I definitely wouldn&#039;t call his use of the bullpen a strong suit. But really, even during the month of June, when the Mets were playing better than pretty much everyone, there was a contingent of fans that never let up on Jerry, which I really don&#039;t understand. I mean, look at this team. Home-grown rookies at first and second, a would-be bench player who has been having a career year in center field, two aging catchers, an expensive slugger in left who hasn&#039;t been slugging, a rotation that includes a knuckleballer and a 35 year old rookie from Japan, etc. But somehow, it&#039;s working, and I think Jerry and his staff deserve at least some of the credit for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of those points, especially about Nieve and overusing guys. The main reason Nieve is basically useless right now is because Manuel completely wore him out at the beginning of the season, and now the guy can&#8217;t seem to get his confidence back. And I hope that didn&#8217;t read like I was attacking you, in particular. I actually read (and was irritated by) Simon&#8217;s critique before your post was up.</p>
<p>But, with the bullpen, Manuel does seem to be trying to set Parnell up for an 8th inning role. That was a failed experiment last year, so he&#8217;s been cautious, but he has been consistent in keeping Parnell&#8217;s work to one full inning lately. Mostly the 7th. And, it made sense to me that he didn&#8217;t want to throw Rodriguez into a 5-1 game in the 9th. Putting Feliciano in yet again to get one out? I&#8217;m not sure about his thinking there. It&#8217;s Adam Dunn, sure, but geez. Give Feliciano a night off every now and then. Once it started looking like the inning might get away from Dessens, though, I think he went to his best remaining option to shut the door, and K-Rod, as usual, made it a tear out your hair and avert your eyes type of deal. I have trouble believing that Jerry was just trying to give him a free save opportunity.</p>
<p>Anyway, Manuel definitely has his faults, and I definitely wouldn&#8217;t call his use of the bullpen a strong suit. But really, even during the month of June, when the Mets were playing better than pretty much everyone, there was a contingent of fans that never let up on Jerry, which I really don&#8217;t understand. I mean, look at this team. Home-grown rookies at first and second, a would-be bench player who has been having a career year in center field, two aging catchers, an expensive slugger in left who hasn&#8217;t been slugging, a rotation that includes a knuckleballer and a 35 year old rookie from Japan, etc. But somehow, it&#8217;s working, and I think Jerry and his staff deserve at least some of the credit for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Matt, a win on a given night doesn&#039;t absolve everything. I think Jerry&#039;s bullpen use is bizarre and not particularly bright. He picks a guy he thinks he trusts and tries to make his arm fall off (Nieve), pays no attention to what guys do against lefties and righties (Feliciano), manages to the save rule instead of to picking the best matchup for getting the win (K-Rod), and is generally too obsessed with &quot;Player X has a role, therefore Player X must appear in that role&quot; (Everybody). You don&#039;t need a tap on the bullpen phone to see that or object to that, and it&#039;s the kind of thing that I fear will catch up with the Mets.

I think Jerry handles the bullpen very poorly and sticks with veterans far too long, though I&#039;ll acknowledge Andee&#039;s point that we don&#039;t know how much is Jerry and how much is Omar and/or ownership. That said, yes, his players seem to like playing for him and it feels (because I can&#039;t really know) like he&#039;s effective as a mentor, communicator, etc. He gets credit for that, but it&#039;s not a Get Out of Jail Free card for the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Matt, a win on a given night doesn&#8217;t absolve everything. I think Jerry&#8217;s bullpen use is bizarre and not particularly bright. He picks a guy he thinks he trusts and tries to make his arm fall off (Nieve), pays no attention to what guys do against lefties and righties (Feliciano), manages to the save rule instead of to picking the best matchup for getting the win (K-Rod), and is generally too obsessed with &#8220;Player X has a role, therefore Player X must appear in that role&#8221; (Everybody). You don&#8217;t need a tap on the bullpen phone to see that or object to that, and it&#8217;s the kind of thing that I fear will catch up with the Mets.</p>
<p>I think Jerry handles the bullpen very poorly and sticks with veterans far too long, though I&#8217;ll acknowledge Andee&#8217;s point that we don&#8217;t know how much is Jerry and how much is Omar and/or ownership. That said, yes, his players seem to like playing for him and it feels (because I can&#8217;t really know) like he&#8217;s effective as a mentor, communicator, etc. He gets credit for that, but it&#8217;s not a Get Out of Jail Free card for the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: dykstraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dykstraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i left last night in the 8th and assumed a smooth finish until i came across this post.  glad i did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i left last night in the 8th and assumed a smooth finish until i came across this post.  glad i did.</p>
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		<title>By: oldtimebaseball</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtimebaseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there was some rumbling in the press a couple of weeks ago that K-Rod was unhappy because he wasn&#039;t getting enough save opportunities. I suppose that Jerry, on top of everything else, has to keep his prima donna closer happy. My gripe is more that Bobby Parnell, who got the side out neatly in the 8th on fewer than ten pitches, wasn&#039;t left in to pitch the 9th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there was some rumbling in the press a couple of weeks ago that K-Rod was unhappy because he wasn&#8217;t getting enough save opportunities. I suppose that Jerry, on top of everything else, has to keep his prima donna closer happy. My gripe is more that Bobby Parnell, who got the side out neatly in the 8th on fewer than ten pitches, wasn&#8217;t left in to pitch the 9th.</p>
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		<title>By: Andee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dude, I know what you mean. I get the feeling that some fans would just HATE it if the Mets went all the way.  &quot;Now we&#039;re stuck with Omar and Jerry, and we&#039;ll never get our Ivy League Stats Guy Dream Team.&quot;  I mean, gahhh.

FWIW, the Great And Omniscient Mike Scioscia did the very thing tonight (Friday) that people are slamming Jerry for -- he took out a guy (Joe Saunders, who has been struggling) who was pitching a shutout and hadn&#039;t thrown that many pitches in order to get Brian Fuentes a save.  Which Fuentes promptly blew.  And then they lost in extra innings.  To the freaking Royals, no less.  So if even Scioscia has save-itis, are there any managers who don&#039;t?  I&#039;d love to know who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dude, I know what you mean. I get the feeling that some fans would just HATE it if the Mets went all the way.  &#8220;Now we&#8217;re stuck with Omar and Jerry, and we&#8217;ll never get our Ivy League Stats Guy Dream Team.&#8221;  I mean, gahhh.</p>
<p>FWIW, the Great And Omniscient Mike Scioscia did the very thing tonight (Friday) that people are slamming Jerry for &#8212; he took out a guy (Joe Saunders, who has been struggling) who was pitching a shutout and hadn&#8217;t thrown that many pitches in order to get Brian Fuentes a save.  Which Fuentes promptly blew.  And then they lost in extra innings.  To the freaking Royals, no less.  So if even Scioscia has save-itis, are there any managers who don&#8217;t?  I&#8217;d love to know who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt from Sunnyside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt from Sunnyside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 08:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, can everyone please stop slamming Jerry Manuel? Here&#039;s the thing, if you were shitting on this team during the offseason, you can&#039;t say Jerry Manuel is a bad manager. Because you&#039;ve got a manager with a supposedly horribly imagined team that could not possibly be effective, that&#039;s now 10 games over .500 right before the break. So Jerry Manuel has apparently managed an egregiously inferior team to 10 games over .500.

Or, if Jerry Manuel is such a bad manager, then it must be that he has an awesome team, bestowed upon him by the brilliant Omar Minaya, which has allowed Manuel, in all of his assheadedness, to get to 10 games over .500, right before the break. So you&#039;ve got to admit that Omar Minaya is a genius. 

WTF? Closers occasionally need to get into the game, if they haven&#039;t pitched in 6 or 7 days. But people will not shut up about when or how he uses Rodriguez. He&#039;s damned if he does and damned if he doesn&#039;t. Other relievers too. He has to keep tabs on who is feeling good and who isn&#039;t, in the bullpen and on the field. He&#039;s got a confusing bullpen, three catchers and a bunch of banged up players right now.

And why praise Eric Simon? The guy writes a post slamming Jerry Manuel (when last time I checked, he didn&#039;t have any sort of tap on the bullpen phone) and never once mentions that we won the game, or that Ruben Tejada made an AWESOME play. 

Seriously, who wants to read that after a win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, can everyone please stop slamming Jerry Manuel? Here&#8217;s the thing, if you were shitting on this team during the offseason, you can&#8217;t say Jerry Manuel is a bad manager. Because you&#8217;ve got a manager with a supposedly horribly imagined team that could not possibly be effective, that&#8217;s now 10 games over .500 right before the break. So Jerry Manuel has apparently managed an egregiously inferior team to 10 games over .500.</p>
<p>Or, if Jerry Manuel is such a bad manager, then it must be that he has an awesome team, bestowed upon him by the brilliant Omar Minaya, which has allowed Manuel, in all of his assheadedness, to get to 10 games over .500, right before the break. So you&#8217;ve got to admit that Omar Minaya is a genius. </p>
<p>WTF? Closers occasionally need to get into the game, if they haven&#8217;t pitched in 6 or 7 days. But people will not shut up about when or how he uses Rodriguez. He&#8217;s damned if he does and damned if he doesn&#8217;t. Other relievers too. He has to keep tabs on who is feeling good and who isn&#8217;t, in the bullpen and on the field. He&#8217;s got a confusing bullpen, three catchers and a bunch of banged up players right now.</p>
<p>And why praise Eric Simon? The guy writes a post slamming Jerry Manuel (when last time I checked, he didn&#8217;t have any sort of tap on the bullpen phone) and never once mentions that we won the game, or that Ruben Tejada made an AWESOME play. </p>
<p>Seriously, who wants to read that after a win?</p>
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