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by Greg Prince on 13 January 2007 12:51 am
If Metsian memories are building from a trickle to a flood, then it must be Flashback Friday at Faith and Fear in Flushing.
I’m unreasonably loyal to inanimate objects. Got this bright, shiny new computer recently that I refused to plug in for several days after delivery because it seemed unfair to the old, slightly rickety machine that was opening fewer and fewer Web pages every week. Got new shoes in September but wouldn’t wear them until after the playoffs because the incumbent pair had gotten the Mets this far and it wouldn’t seem right to abandon them prior to October. Don’t even get me started on the night the tape function on my stereo — my stereo on which I recorded so many beloved cassettes — went on the fritz and needed immediate replacement.
Then there are cars. Men and cars. That’s allowed, right? We’re supposed to be in love with our vehicles, referring to each one as a she as we exult in listening to her purr. But my car doesn’t really drive me.
I’ve had two. Fifteen years ago this week, I got my second. I’ve always been grateful for its utility, that it’s started and carried me from point A to point B without breaking down at point A and a half. I don’t blame it for the aversion to driving that struck me in the mid-’90s and has stayed with me ever since. It’s not for not liking it that I’ve put not quite 67,000 miles on it since taking ownership on January 11, 1992. Since 1996, I’ve either commuted to my job by train or worked from home. I don’t really have anywhere to drive.
On the other hand, maybe I’ve never forgiven my dependable powder blue 1992 Toyota Corolla for not being a trendy teal green.
My car sometimes feels like a bastard child to me, conceived as it was in a very unpleasant transaction at Five Towns Toyota of Lawrence. I needed a car, I went there and I had a horrible experience. Despite reading one of those “how to buy a car without getting ripped off” books before entering the fray, I went to buy a car and felt like I was getting ripped off.
Everything about it still gives me hives, from the salesman who told me he needed a deposit from me right now to save this special price that’s only in effect today to the loan arranger who made up a monthly payment that had nothing to do with the interest rate that was quoted. I knew I was being rolled all around.
T-Day, as it were, was Thursday, January 9. I wasn’t sleeping. I knew this was all wrong. I didn’t want to deal with them anymore. So I started talking to lawyers. Everybody I knew who knew a lawyer got their attorney relatives or friends on the phone for me. They all said I could get out of the deal. I called the dealership and was told, oh no, you’re stuck with this car — the powder blue model because it will cost you extra for the teal green number — and we’re going to sue you if you don’t follow through. I was going nuts. I went to Radio Shack and bought one of those calculators that figures out interest rates and realized they were trying to take me for what amounted to thousands more over the life of the loan.
I called back Five Towns Toyota and yelled at them. They yelled at me. More threats were exchanged. In another office where I worked (this was going on in the middle of the day), my editor ran interference for me with a PR rep who was trying to set up an interview for me. This isn’t a good day for Greg, he said. He’ll call you tomorrow.
My calculator gave me some moral fiber to trust. I’d spent my life caving into salesmen and professionals and anybody who had what I wanted. No, I wasn’t going to budge. You’re not going to rip me off. I cared less about blue versus teal than I did that somebody saw me coming and decided he could take advantage. This, I demanded, is all I will pay in terms of financing. More haggling ensued. Emotions crested. Then things calmed down. I said something about not wanting to be dissatisfied.
Damned if I know why this was the magic word, but all at once the salesman was all “we don’t want you to be dissatisfied.” All at once, he was a reasonable human being. The financing was settled to my satisfaction. The price was brought down to my satisfaction. The color, well, we just don’t have it in teal green right now and you’ll have to wait and we will have to charge you a delivery fee to get it from another dealership.
Screw it, I thought. I want to get this over with. I don’t care about color. Just give me the blue one. I still have it.
Few have been the days since 1992 that I’ve thought about the teal. That was back when almost every expansion team in every sport was trying on teal: the San Jose Sharks, the Charlotte Hornets, the unborn Florida Marlins. I had a sense this was a fad. Teal green was pretty, though, but I settled for the powder blue.
I arranged to pick up the car, my second car, on the eleventh, two days later. Punchy, groggy, irritable, vulnerable, I left the office and went down to the office parking lot to get in my car.
My first car.
It was a Toyota Corolla. That’s why I was so set on having another one. The first one had been very good to me. It was bought used from Avis. My dad had them as a client and they gave him a professional discount. He bought it when I started college after my mother decided if I rode a bicycle around Tampa that I’d get run over. I didn’t argue. The first Corolla, an ’81, burnt orange, came with 14,000 or so miles and I proceeded to add another 95,000 over ten years. I drove from Florida to New York or New York to Florida seven different times. I drove to Montreal and Philadelphia and Boston and St. Petersburg to see baseball games. I drove it from age 18 to age 29.
Man, I loved that car. She/he/it had given me a marvelous decade. The end of the road was at hand by the end of 1991. I replaced the brakes not two months before understanding she/he/it couldn’t go on forever. That’s why I was shopping for a new Corolla in late ’91, early ’92. That’s why on this Thursday night I was driving her/him/it home from work for what would be the second-to-last time.
And ya know what else was going on that week? Tom Seaver was voted into the Hall of Fame. First ballot, 98.8% of the vote. Only five voters didn’t check him off. They were either infirm or stubborn. Everybody else who didn’t have an excuse validated Tom Seaver as the best. Nobody got more of the vote than Tom Seaver, not before then, not since then. My favorite player was, in a tangible way, the favorite of the ages.
It was good news in a stressful week. The election was announced Tuesday. Thursday, that awful Thursday, had more than painful automotive negotiations to them, it turned out.
It had Tom Seaver on the Howie Rose show on the way home.
Tom didn’t do all that many interviews after he retired from playing. When he did, he didn’t do it under any kind of Mets auspices. The last we saw him as ours was when his number 41 was retired in 1988. A year later he was broadcasting for NBC and WPIX. By ’92 he was still affiliated with the Yankees, of all teams, keeping Phil Rizzuto company now and then. His relationship with the Mets was nonexistent.
But on WFAN that Thursday night, he was home. It was Tom and Howie — still my favorite talk show host ever — recalling Tom’s career. It was supposed to last 20 minutes at most, but Tom stayed and talked for more than an hour. Howie wasn’t about to remind him his time was up and Tom didn’t seem to mind sticking around.
I drove the same route home I’d been taking for almost two years: Northern State to the Meadowbrook to Merrick Road to our first apartment in Baldwin. I was riveted as I drove. I don’t think there were any commercials. Just Tom and Howie. Gil Hodges came up. Rube Walker. Jerry Grote. ’69. The trade. The trade back. The last time he was allowed to walk. Just Tom Seaver and Howie Rose talking at length about Tom Seaver.
What more could I want?
When I pulled in in front of the house where we rented, they were still at it. I could have gotten out, run inside and turned on the radio, but it felt inappropriate to take a break. If the FAN could hold off on interruptions, so could I. It was worth it.
Tom, Howie said, we have a little surprise for you, put together by our producer (don’t know if it was the immortal Chris Majkowski or who back then). It was a musical montage, a tribute to Tom’s career. The music was Rod Stewart’s “Forever Young,” the punctuation was one highlight after another of Tom’s pitching. Bob Murphy, Ralph Kiner, Lindsey Nelson on the air telling us once again that Seaver had a perfect game going with one out in the ninth, that Seaver had just struck out his tenth in a row, that Seaver had won a 20th or 25th or World Series game. I don’t remember all the highlights. They were plentiful and the excerpts were rare. I do remember the music very well.
And may you never love in vain
And in my heart you will remain
Forever young
With that, the remains of the day came crashing down on me. This morning, I was being pushed around by a car dealer. This afternoon I stood up for myself. It may sound trifling to those of you who are more self-assured consumers taking up two spaces in your SUVs, but I swear it was like I had changed amid those angry phone calls to Five Towns Toyota. I felt like I had finally, finally, finally…
…grown up.
It was pretty late in the game for such a realization. But I’d been slow about tackling adulthood. There was a night when I was 19 when it occurred to me I was no longer a kid. There was an ensuing decade when I had to keep reminding myself of that chronological fact. And now, at 29, that was it. I wasn’t a kid anymore. I was a full-fledged adult. I just bought a new car on — color notwithstanding — my own terms.
And? And I was about to give up the last car anybody was ever likely to buy for me, the car that, in essence, I had grown up in. And who should be floating about the tinny speakers in that first, never-to-be-topped Toyota? Tom Seaver, the first, never-to-be-topped hero of my youth. His career was flashing in front of my ears. His deeds were forever young, but it was now as official as it would ever be: my favorite player from when I was a kid was never going to play baseball again. I would get older, he would get older and everything about him as a Met would be a memory. We’d both find other things on which to dwell as going concerns, but neither Tom Seaver nor I would ever have Tom Seaver quite the same way again.
Him in the Hall of Fame. Me in a new blue 1992 Toyota. Him on the mound. Me in my burnt orange 1981 Corolla.
I can see us in the rearview mirror.
Next Friday: My earliest influence.
by Greg Prince on 11 January 2007 9:01 am
Pitchers and presumably some catchers are in Port St. Lucie, but it’s not Pitchers & Catchers. It’s Mets Mini-Camp!
One hand is clapping.
The Mets have apparently been doing this in January for six years though I don’t remember anything about it before 2005. I only noticed it then because newly signed Carlos Beltran stopped by and stood next to Joe McEwing for a beat on his way to deposit his very large check at his presumably very grateful bank. Super Joe never did get to play with Carlos for keeps, did he?
Ah, mini-camp memories…that’s the only one I can conjure, and that only because Jason sent me the picture and suggested about ten different captions. My favorite was “why, yes, you can get me a Pepsi.”
What goes on at mini-camp? Mets caps and t-shirts, occupied by minor leaguers mostly, sprint by in anonymity. The GM mouths platitudes that are both reassuring and unprovable at this stage of winter. David Wright finds something to do with himself (I was worried he might sit still for thirty seconds). Otherwise, I don’t get baseball mini-camp. It seems almost insulting to Spring Training.
Oh, Pedro Martinez was on hand. He says he’s doing well and I’d like to believe him. I was about to espouse a theory that while the rest of the free world will be contorting itself in fantasies of peeling away Johan Santana or Carlos Zambrano at the deadline, we’ll have a tanned, rested and ready Hall of Famer healthily ready to lead us over the hump in August, September and October. But then I remembered I spent much of 2006 in denial every time Pedro hit the DL. I think he’s still on it.
Of course believing every veteran pitcher will recover from every rotator cuff is what Spring Training is all about. What precisely mini-camp is for I have little clue.
by Greg Prince on 11 January 2007 9:01 am
Pitchers and presumably some catchers are in Port St. Lucie, but it's not Pitchers & Catchers. It's Mets Mini-Camp!
One hand is clapping.
The Mets have apparently been doing this in January for six years though I don't remember anything about it before 2005. I only noticed it then because newly signed Carlos Beltran stopped by and stood next to Joe McEwing for a beat on his way to deposit his very large check at his presumably very grateful bank. Super Joe never did get to play with Carlos for keeps, did he?
Ah, mini-camp memories…that's the only one I can conjure, and that only because Jason sent me the picture and suggested about ten different captions. My favorite was “why, yes, you can get me a Pepsi.”
What goes on at mini-camp? Mets caps and t-shirts, occupied by minor leaguers mostly, sprint by in anonymity. The GM mouths platitudes that are both reassuring and unprovable at this stage of winter. David Wright finds something to do with himself (I was worried he might sit still for thirty seconds). Otherwise, I don't get baseball mini-camp. It seems almost insulting to Spring Training.
Oh, Pedro Martinez was on hand. He says he's doing well and I'd like to believe him. I was about to espouse a theory that while the rest of the free world will be contorting itself in fantasies of peeling away Johan Santana or Carlos Zambrano at the deadline, we'll have a tanned, rested and ready Hall of Famer healthily ready to lead us over the hump in August, September and October. But then I remembered I spent much of 2006 in denial every time Pedro hit the DL. I think he's still on it.
Of course believing every veteran pitcher will recover from every rotator cuff is what Spring Training is all about. What precisely mini-camp is for I have little clue.
by Jason Fry on 10 January 2007 5:06 pm
Since there’s no law against him driving there, or buying a ticket afterwards, I imagine that’s what some overly friendly local might say this summer, seeing a certain former New York Mets slugger waddling through the parking lot of baseball’s Hall of Fame.
At least that’s the only way Bobby Bonilla is going to Cooperstown. No, he was not elected to the Hall of Fame yesterday, meaning I’m not entering Day Two of my killing spree. (Or, more likely, just Day Two of ranting and raving a lot.) You probably guessed as much yesterday, when New York City didn’t see the rising of a sackcloth moon, the eruption of active volcanoes, or suffer visions of devils skating around in Hell. (The real one, not Met Hell — the Seventh Circle of which is forever occupied by Bobby Bonilla and his slightly older, fatter self.)
But you might have noticed a whiff of brimstone yesterday, and assumed it was just a continuation of whatever the heck was going on the day before, with the talk of natural gas and the mercaptan and what-not.
It wasn’t. I have it on good authority that the brief Tuesday stink was a smidgen of sulphur released from Hades to acknowledge the fact that Bobby Bonilla, that surly, despicable, card-playing embodiment of Met horrors past, somehow got two Hall of Fame votes. Two!
Just stare at this next sentence and turn it over in your mind for a moment.
Two sportswriters voted to enshrine Bobby Bonilla in the Hall of Fame.
Bobby Bonilla. Who swore New York could never wipe the smile off his face, and then proceeded to wipe the smile off Met fans’ faces. Oh, how I hated him then. Oh, how I hate him now. Oh, how I shall hate him with some portion of my final breath.
I was in the stands along with my old pal Chris, aka the Human Fight, when that suety gasbag returned to Shea as a Marlin. There were maybe 20,000 there. Half were the diehards who’d come to Shea in a blizzard; the other half were there to boo Bobby Bo. When the moment finally came, the noise was astonishing — not for its volume (John Rocker, among others, heard far greater) but for the per capita effort. As well as for the utter chaos of it — each person had his or her own idea of what Bobby Bo deserved, and had decided in advance whether to jeer or boo or hiss or howl or scream obscenities, and so all of the above erupted from all points of the stadium at once. It was impressive, but that level of venom isn’t sustainable, and when it died down, Bonilla was still there, at the plate, more or less unperturbed.
He hit a long foul ball down the line, where nobody was sitting, and a fan ran several sections to pick it up — then hurled it onto the field. That was good. But better was what happened after the booing and hissing and insults died away. The crowd lapsed into a surly silence for a bit, found that unsatisfying, and finally got together on a hooting chant.
you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK
It wasn’t particularly loud. In fact, it was a bit resigned as all involved accepted that Bonilla would not be driven from the stadium by malice alone. But it kept going for an impressively long time, until Bonilla’s at-bat finally ended, and the Human Fight turned to me, shook his head, and said, “That was the purest expression of hatred I’ve ever seen.”
Two votes. Amazing. Two more than I expected, or than he deserved. The only way I’d ever vote for Bobby Bonilla for anything would be if we were on the same plane (a horrifying enough thought), it crashed in the mountains, and we had to decide which of the survivors to eat first.
by Jason Fry on 10 January 2007 5:06 pm
Since there's no law against him driving there, or buying a ticket afterwards, I imagine that's what some overly friendly local might say this summer, seeing a certain former New York Mets slugger waddling through the parking lot of baseball's Hall of Fame.
At least that's the only way Bobby Bonilla is going to Cooperstown. No, he was not elected to the Hall of Fame yesterday, meaning I'm not entering Day Two of my killing spree. (Or, more likely, just Day Two of ranting and raving a lot.) You probably guessed as much yesterday, when New York City didn't see the rising of a sackcloth moon, the eruption of active volcanoes, or suffer visions of devils skating around in Hell. (The real one, not Met Hell — the Seventh Circle of which is forever occupied by Bobby Bonilla and his slightly older, fatter self.)
But you might have noticed a whiff of brimstone yesterday, and assumed it was just a continuation of whatever the heck was going on the day before, with the talk of natural gas and the mercaptan and what-not.
It wasn't. I have it on good authority that the brief Tuesday stink was a smidgen of sulphur released from Hades to acknowledge the fact that Bobby Bonilla, that surly, despicable, card-playing embodiment of Met horrors past, somehow got two Hall of Fame votes. Two!
Just stare at this next sentence and turn it over in your mind for a moment.
Two sportswriters voted to enshrine Bobby Bonilla in the Hall of Fame.
Bobby Bonilla. Who swore New York could never wipe the smile off his face, and then proceeded to wipe the smile off Met fans' faces. Oh, how I hated him then. Oh, how I hate him now. Oh, how I shall hate him with some portion of my final breath.
I was in the stands along with my old pal Chris, aka the Human Fight, when that suety gasbag returned to Shea as a Marlin. There were maybe 20,000 there. Half were the diehards who'd come to Shea in a blizzard; the other half were there to boo Bobby Bo. When the moment finally came, the noise was astonishing — not for its volume (John Rocker, among others, heard far greater) but for the per capita effort. As well as for the utter chaos of it — each person had his or her own idea of what Bobby Bo deserved, and had decided in advance whether to jeer or boo or hiss or howl or scream obscenities, and so all of the above erupted from all points of the stadium at once. It was impressive, but that level of venom isn't sustainable, and when it died down, Bonilla was still there, at the plate, more or less unperturbed.
He hit a long foul ball down the line, where nobody was sitting, and a fan ran several sections to pick it up — then hurled it onto the field. That was good. But better was what happened after the booing and hissing and insults died away. The crowd lapsed into a surly silence for a bit, found that unsatisfying, and finally got together on a hooting chant.
you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK you SUCK
It wasn't particularly loud. In fact, it was a bit resigned as all involved accepted that Bonilla would not be driven from the stadium by malice alone. But it kept going for an impressively long time, until Bonilla's at-bat finally ended, and the Human Fight turned to me, shook his head, and said, “That was the purest expression of hatred I've ever seen.”
Two votes. Amazing. Two more than I expected, or than he deserved. The only way I'd ever vote for Bobby Bonilla for anything would be if we were on the same plane (a horrifying enough thought), it crashed in the mountains, and we had to decide which of the survivors to eat first.
by Greg Prince on 9 January 2007 10:19 pm
Ripken in. Gwynn in. Gossage close. McGwire nowhere in sight.
Those are the headlines from the 2007 Hall of Fame election. The parochial nuggets are neither Ripken at 98.5% of the vote nor Gwynn at 97.6% matched Tom Seaver’s 98.84% from 1992 (yay!) and that Bobby Bonilla, due presumably to a shaking hand and a pair of misplaced specs, was accidentally checked off on two ballots (wha…?). He trailed former Mets Bret Saberhagen (7) and
Tony Fernandez (4) to say nothing of good sense. None of our new representatives will be on next year’s list, but Bobby Bo will continue to get paid by the Mets into perpetuity, so he can commission his own plaque.
The subtext of the big story is where Ripken and Gwynn played their entire careers: one place. It’s rare enough a situation that no report of their election today, tonight or tomorrow or their induction this summer will go three paragraphs without mentioning each man played for one team and one team only. By implication, this makes them morally superior to cretins like Paul Molitor, Dave Winfield and Bruce Sutter.
I’m as big a sucker for a consistent baseball-card back as anyone. It’s aesthetically pleasing to eyeball one long column of Baltimore (A.L.) or San Diego (N.L.), and it sure cuts down on hours of inane “which cap?” debate. One’s an Oriole. One’s a Padre. That’s that.
But also, so what? Ripken and Gwynn played in an era when they could have moved around had they chosen. They chose not to and/or their teams chose to make it worth their while to stay put. Who’s to say Stan Musial or Joe DiMaggio would have remained with their one and only club had the reserve clause not tethered them to the Cardinals and Yankees? For the right price, DiMaggio could have been the Cleveland Clipper had he been granted the opportunity. Likewise, the winding professional paths of Hank Greenberg, Ralph Kiner, even Babe Ruth demonstrate no immortal is necessarily immune from a management hissyfit.
Or have you forgotten June 15, 1977?
Ripken and Gwynn were one-teamers because it worked for them. Rickey Henderson played for everybody because that’s where the market took Rickey. Before he was deemed damaged goods, Mark McGwire was an Athletic icon. In the midst of his first potentially history-changing season, 1997 (58 homers), he was swapped to St. Louis for T.J. Mathews, Blake Stein and ex-Met farmhand Eric Ludwick. Nobody ever talks about it as one of the world’s worst trades because everybody understood it wasn’t a baseball trade. The A’s couldn’t or wouldn’t afford him in 1998 and beyond, so nobody blinked all that much when a guy who was chasing Roger Maris was dispatched at the end of July.
Player movement works for the players. It’s always worked for the owners. Does it work for the fans?
Didn’t work for us amid the Wednesday Night Massacre when we watched the Franchise get traded for four non-Franchise players. Wasn’t terrific when the best position player the Mets ever produced split for L.A. in November 1990. Never feels right to lose a Seaver or a Strawberry when they’ve always been yours.
On the other hand, was anybody here worried about uniformity of uniform when Pedro Martinez or Carlos Beltran or Billy Wagner took the money to fulfill their lifetime dreams of becoming Mets? As 2006 demonstrated, player movement can add up to very helpful action for any given fan base. It was our turn to benefit last year.
But romanticism for free agentry and its accompanying financial maneuvers will never amount to a hill of Beane. Ripken the Bird and Gwynn the Friar are comforting notions, not just for the Baltimoreans and San Diegans out there. We could count on Gwynn lacerating the Mets (.356) as many as 13 times a year from 1982 through 2001. Because we knew he was dependable, we could rely on Ripken showing up for work all seven games the Mets faced the Orioles in 1997 and 1998, including a spectacularly annoying Friday night result at Camden Yards the first time the two tangled in regular-season play. That feeling was a throwback to the way my New York Giants pals can recite the 65-year-old starting rotations that alighted at the Polo Grounds season after season. I couldn’t tell you who pitched for the Padres in 2003 without really thinking about it.
There hasn’t been a lot of that sort of thing below the superstar level of late. Bagwell just retired, but Biggio’s still an Astro. Smoltz and two guys named Jones are Braves. Elsewhere in the National League? It gets thin from there if you’re looking for diehards, especially within the N.L. East.
How about Marcus Giles? It only seems like he’s been tormenting us from Atlanta forever. He actually came up in April 2001 and had only one disgustingly good season (1.059 OPS in ’04) against us. This offseason he became a Padre. I’m not sorry.
How about Mike Lieberthal? He joined the defending National League champion Phillies in 1994 and was positively Burrellesque versus the Mets in 2000 (1.302 OPS). This offseason he became a Dodger. I’m not sorry.
How about Jose Vidro? He first grazed the Mets fan consciousness his rookie year of 1997 when he and Vladimir Guerrero represented the next wave of Expo rookies who were going to drive us nuts. From Montreal to San Juan to Washington, he has made like a thorn and stuck it to the Mets repeatedly, particularly in 2003 (1.010 OPS). He wasn’t the last National who played home games at the Big O, but there was a decidedly Exponential air about his continued presence with the only organization he ever knew. He knows a new team now. This offseason he became a Mariner. I’m not sorry.
Giles, Lieberthal and Vidro were not Gwynn, Ripken or Musial. You didn’t tip your cap to them. You didn’t give them an appreciative hand upon their first at-bats. But they were intrinsic to the Met fabric — the underside of the quilt, to be sure, but they were here, too. They were staples of the Braves, the Phillies and the Expos/Nationals. For whatever reason, the forces of baseball nature have acted as staple removers where they’re concerned.
Meanwhile, what of us? What of our Gwynns, our Ripkens? Not talking about a Hall of Famer like Tom Seaver or a what-have-might-have-beener like Darryl Strawberry. Rather, who wore the blue and orange from Day One to Day Last?
Not many.
I don’t think I’m breaking any exclusives here when I tell you the Met who was only a Met longer than anybody else was Ed Kranepool. Ed Kranepool came up a Met in September 1962 and retired — not particularly willingly — a Met in September 1979. That’s 18 seasons or season fragments as nothin’ but Met. It will take uncommon durability and supernatural mutual loyalty for us to see that aspect of the record breached in 2021 or ’22 by the only living Mets we can imagine doing that. (More on them in a sec.)
Ed Kranepool played 1,853 games as a Met and zero as anything else. He’s first forever until further notice. Who’s second? It shouldn’t come as a galloping shock that it’s Ron Hodges, the Woody Allen (“Eighty percent of success is showing up”) of the Mets from 1973 through 1984. Hodges put in 14 seasons and played in 666 games as a careerlong Met. Only once, in 1982, did he make it into more than half his team’s contests. Ron Hodges may not have come to play, but he sure as shootin’ showed up.
Among those deemed the One Hundred Greatest Mets of the First Forty Years, Kranepool (No. 10) and Hodges (No. 79) are the only entries to have avoided the lure of enemy logos. That means 98% of our elite corps were something else altogether for at least a while. Seaver was three other things, Hernandez two; Piazza’s working on his fourth this spring. Even the most emblematic Met of them all, spiritually speaking, Marvelous Marv Throneberry, earned hashmarks as an Oriole, an Athletic and, gasp!, a Yankee.
All told, an even 100 Mets have been only Mets, accounting for 12.5% of the all-time roster. That’s a bit misleading because it includes active Mets who have yet to play for other teams. It includes Heath Bell who has been dealt to San Diego since the end of 2006. It includes Victor Diaz who was sent to Texas last August and finished the year in the minors. It includes Aaron Heilman who is continually mentioned as trade bait.
But Aaron Heilman, who debuted in 2003, has already pitched in more games as a Met than anybody whose career excluded the other 29 other franchises save for two arms: Jeff Innis and Bob Apodaca.
Jeff Innis? Bob Apodaca? Aaron Heilman? No offense to any of them, particularly Heilman given his solid seventh- and eighth-inning work last year, but really? For all the pitching greats cultivated on the mounds of Jacksonville and Tidewater, these have been the most enduring? Jeff Innis’ 288 games between 1987 and 1993 positively dwarf Apodaca’s total of 184 (curtailed by an injury in March of ’78). Heilman at 146 is ahead of — and you’re not going to believe this — Pedro Feliciano in fourth place.
PEDRO FELICIANO IN FOURTH PLACE?
Again, no disrespect. This Pedro was absolutely enduring in 2006. But we traded him to Cincinnati once and he came back. He bounced to Detroit and he came back. He was in Japan and he came back. Somehow Feliciano has missed pitching a single inning at the Major League level for anybody except the Mets.
Go figure.
In case you’re wondering, Heilman’s and Feliciano’s workhorse loads last year vaulted them each past the pitcher who had been in third place among all only-Mets pitchers through 2005, Rick Baldwin.
RICK BALDWIN?
What to make of this? We who grew Seaver, Koosman, Ryan and McGraw in time for 1969 held onto none of them but managed a death grip on Jeff Innis, Bob Apodaca, Rick Baldwin and, for that matter, Bob Myrick. Those are the four leading retired pitchers who were Mets and nothing else…the four horsemen who stared in the face of the apocalypse of unfettered player movement and remained forever unmoved.
Who knew?
As for position players, we’ve already mentioned Kranepool and Hodges. Who trails them? Jose Reyes is third with 436 games. David Wright is fifth with 383 games. Let’s hope they are still on this list in 15 or 20 years and that they have left the esteemed Mr. Kranepool and Mr. Hodges in the dust.
The odds aren’t promising, but let’s try to imagine their current long-term contracts merit renewal and renewal and renewal again.
Meanwhile, who’s in fourth? Who is wedged between Mr. Reyes and Mr. Wright as a Met to the core?
Go ahead. Guess.
Nope.
Not him either.
Give it another shot.
Sorry. The answer…the player who played more games in his definitively completed career as only a Met than any other player in Met history besides Ed Kranepool and Ron Hodges is…
Bruce Boisclair.
After Rick Baldwin and Bob Myrick, this isn’t a stunner. But still. Bruce Boisclair?
Sure. Why not? As Mets By The Numbers nailed it, “For some reason, Bruce Boisclair is one of those bit players whom Met fans remember vividly.” Indeed, Ultimate Mets Database has elicited nearly 70 Bruce Boisclair remembrances — nearly as many recollections of him as career RBI by him. That’s a lot of recall for someone who was never more than a fourth outfielder on a series of lousy teams. Bruce Boisclair apparently stayed with us in more ways than one.
I can envision Bruce in the mind’s eye, too. The hair is flowing. The frame is lean. The number is 4 (drilled into memory by the Mets being so cheap on Old Timers Day 1979 that they lent their ’69 returnees current players’ tops and Swoboda ripped the tape off the back of the one he was issued and wore a uniform that said BOISCLAIR). I remember being a little carried away by Bruce Boisclair flirting with .300 in 1976. I could even summon in my head the walkoff hit I stumbled across on Retrosheet last week when I was looking for an episode of Mets-Gerald Ford synergy. I also remember slowly settling into a morass of disappointment that Bruce Boisclair never blossomed into Al Oliver. But in an era of deep disappointment, who would blame Bruce Boisclair for more than a fraction of the prevailing malaise?
Nevertheless, within a franchise that promoted Darryl Strawberry, Edgardo Alfonzo and Cleon Jones from its minor league ranks, what does it say that the homegrown Mets who stuck around forever the longest for certain are Ed Kranepool, Ron Hodges and Bruce Boisclair?
I’m not sure I want to know.
The entire list of exclusive Mets is available via Baseball Reference‘s Frivolities feature.
And a worthy alternative countdown of the “Top 50 Mets of All-Time” is underway at Eric Simon’s Amazin’ Avenue. He’s up to his No. 44, someone who was No. 22 on our 2005 countdown and, like Boisclair and Swoboda, will always own a piece of No. 4 in Met numerical lore.
by Greg Prince on 9 January 2007 10:19 pm
Ripken in. Gwynn in. Gossage close. McGwire nowhere in sight.
Those are the headlines from the 2007 Hall of Fame election. The parochial nuggets are neither Ripken at 98.5% of the vote nor Gwynn at 97.6% matched Tom Seaver’s 98.84% from 1992 (yay!) and that Bobby Bonilla, due presumably to a shaking hand and a pair of misplaced specs, was accidentally checked off on two ballots (wha…?). He trailed former Mets Bret Saberhagen (7) and Tony Fernandez (4) to say nothing of good sense. None of our new representatives will be on next year’s list, but Bobby Bo will continue to get paid by the Mets into perpetuity, so he can commission his own plaque.
The subtext of the big story is where Ripken and Gwynn played their entire careers: one place. It’s rare enough a situation that no report of their election today, tonight or tomorrow or their induction this summer will go three paragraphs without mentioning each man played for one team and one team only. By implication, this makes them morally superior to cretins like Paul Molitor, Dave Winfield and Bruce Sutter.
I’m as big a sucker for a consistent baseball-card back as anyone. It’s aesthetically pleasing to eyeball one long column of Baltimore (A.L.) or San Diego (N.L.), and it sure cuts down on hours of inane “which cap?” debate. One’s an Oriole. One’s a Padre. That’s that.
But also, so what? Ripken and Gwynn played in an era when they could have moved around had they chosen. They chose not to and/or their teams chose to make it worth their while to stay put. Who’s to say Stan Musial or Joe DiMaggio would have remained with their one and only club had the reserve clause not tethered them to the Cardinals and Yankees? For the right price, DiMaggio could have been the Cleveland Clipper had he been granted the opportunity. Likewise, the winding professional paths of Hank Greenberg, Ralph Kiner, even Babe Ruth demonstrate no immortal is necessarily immune from a management hissyfit.
Or have you forgotten June 15, 1977?
Ripken and Gwynn were one-teamers because it worked for them. Rickey Henderson played for everybody because that’s where the market took Rickey. Before he was deemed damaged goods, Mark McGwire was an Athletic icon. In the midst of his first potentially history-changing season, 1997 (58 homers), he was swapped to St. Louis for T.J. Mathews, Blake Stein and ex-Met farmhand Eric Ludwick. Nobody ever talks about it as one of the world’s worst trades because everybody understood it wasn’t a baseball trade. The A’s couldn’t or wouldn’t afford him in 1998 and beyond, so nobody blinked all that much when a guy who was chasing Roger Maris was dispatched at the end of July.
Player movement works for the players. It’s always worked for the owners. Does it work for the fans?
Didn’t work for us amid the Wednesday Night Massacre when we watched the Franchise get traded for four non-Franchise players. Wasn’t terrific when the best position player the Mets ever produced split for L.A. in November 1990. Never feels right to lose a Seaver or a Strawberry when they’ve always been yours.
On the other hand, was anybody here worried about uniformity of uniform when Pedro Martinez or Carlos Beltran or Billy Wagner took the money to fulfill their lifetime dreams of becoming Mets? As 2006 demonstrated, player movement can add up to very helpful action for any given fan base. It was our turn to benefit last year.
But romanticism for free agentry and its accompanying financial maneuvers will never amount to a hill of Beane. Ripken the Bird and Gwynn the Friar are comforting notions, not just for the Baltimoreans and San Diegans out there. We could count on Gwynn lacerating the Mets (.356) as many as 13 times a year from 1982 through 2001. Because we knew he was dependable, we could rely on Ripken showing up for work all seven games the Mets faced the Orioles in 1997 and 1998, including a spectacularly annoying Friday night result at Camden Yards the first time the two tangled in regular-season play. That feeling was a throwback to the way my New York Giants pals can recite the 65-year-old starting rotations that alighted at the Polo Grounds season after season. I couldn’t tell you who pitched for the Padres in 2003 without really thinking about it.
There hasn’t been a lot of that sort of thing below the superstar level of late. Bagwell just retired, but Biggio’s still an Astro. Smoltz and two guys named Jones are Braves. Elsewhere in the National League? It gets thin from there if you’re looking for diehards, especially within the N.L. East.
How about Marcus Giles? It only seems like he’s been tormenting us from Atlanta forever. He actually came up in April 2001 and had only one disgustingly good season (1.059 OPS in ’04) against us. This offseason he became a Padre. I’m not sorry.
How about Mike Lieberthal? He joined the defending National League champion Phillies in 1994 and was positively Burrellesque versus the Mets in 2000 (1.302 OPS). This offseason he became a Dodger. I’m not sorry.
How about Jose Vidro? He first grazed the Mets fan consciousness his rookie year of 1997 when he and Vladimir Guerrero represented the next wave of Expo rookies who were going to drive us nuts. From Montreal to San Juan to Washington, he has made like a thorn and stuck it to the Mets repeatedly, particularly in 2003 (1.010 OPS). He wasn’t the last National who played home games at the Big O, but there was a decidedly Exponential air about his continued presence with the only organization he ever knew. He knows a new team now. This offseason he became a Mariner. I’m not sorry.
Giles, Lieberthal and Vidro were not Gwynn, Ripken or Musial. You didn’t tip your cap to them. You didn’t give them an appreciative hand upon their first at-bats. But they were intrinsic to the Met fabric — the underside of the quilt, to be sure, but they were here, too. They were staples of the Braves, the Phillies and the Expos/Nationals. For whatever reason, the forces of baseball nature have acted as staple removers where they’re concerned.
Meanwhile, what of us? What of our Gwynns, our Ripkens? Not talking about a Hall of Famer like Tom Seaver or a what-have-might-have-beener like Darryl Strawberry. Rather, who wore the blue and orange from Day One to Day Last?
Not many.
I don’t think I’m breaking any exclusives here when I tell you the Met who was only a Met longer than anybody else was Ed Kranepool. Ed Kranepool came up a Met in September 1962 and retired — not particularly willingly — a Met in September 1979. That’s 18 seasons or season fragments as nothin’ but Met. It will take uncommon durability and supernatural mutual loyalty for us to see that aspect of the record breached in 2021 or ’22 by the only living Mets we can imagine doing that. (More on them in a sec.)
Ed Kranepool played 1,853 games as a Met and zero as anything else. He’s first forever until further notice. Who’s second? It shouldn’t come as a galloping shock that it’s Ron Hodges, the Woody Allen (“Eighty percent of success is showing up”) of the Mets from 1973 through 1984. Hodges put in 14 seasons and played in 666 games as a careerlong Met. Only once, in 1982, did he make it into more than half his team’s contests. Ron Hodges may not have come to play, but he sure as shootin’ showed up.
Among those deemed the One Hundred Greatest Mets of the First Forty Years, Kranepool (No. 10) and Hodges (No. 79) are the only entries to have avoided the lure of enemy logos. That means 98% of our elite corps were something else altogether for at least a while. Seaver was three other things, Hernandez two; Piazza’s working on his fourth this spring. Even the most emblematic Met of them all, spiritually speaking, Marvelous Marv Throneberry, earned hashmarks as an Oriole, an Athletic and, gasp!, a Yankee.
All told, an even 100 Mets have been only Mets, accounting for 12.5% of the all-time roster. That’s a bit misleading because it includes active Mets who have yet to play for other teams. It includes Heath Bell who has been dealt to San Diego since the end of 2006. It includes Victor Diaz who was sent to Texas last August and finished the year in the minors. It includes Aaron Heilman who is continually mentioned as trade bait.
But Aaron Heilman, who debuted in 2003, has already pitched in more games as a Met than anybody whose career excluded the other 29 other franchises save for two arms: Jeff Innis and Bob Apodaca.
Jeff Innis? Bob Apodaca? Aaron Heilman? No offense to any of them, particularly Heilman given his solid seventh- and eighth-inning work last year, but really? For all the pitching greats cultivated on the mounds of Jacksonville and Tidewater, these have been the most enduring? Jeff Innis’ 288 games between 1987 and 1993 positively dwarf Apodaca’s total of 184 (curtailed by an injury in March of ’78). Heilman at 146 is ahead of — and you’re not going to believe this — Pedro Feliciano in fourth place.
PEDRO FELICIANO IN FOURTH PLACE?
Again, no disrespect. This Pedro was absolutely enduring in 2006. But we traded him to Cincinnati once and he came back. He bounced to Detroit and he came back. He was in Japan and he came back. Somehow Feliciano has missed pitching a single inning at the Major League level for anybody except the Mets.
Go figure.
In case you’re wondering, Heilman’s and Feliciano’s workhorse loads last year vaulted them each past the pitcher who had been in third place among all only-Mets pitchers through 2005, Rick Baldwin.
RICK BALDWIN?
What to make of this? We who grew Seaver, Koosman, Ryan and McGraw in time for 1969 held onto none of them but managed a death grip on Jeff Innis, Bob Apodaca, Rick Baldwin and, for that matter, Bob Myrick. Those are the four leading retired pitchers who were Mets and nothing else…the four horsemen who stared in the face of the apocalypse of unfettered player movement and remained forever unmoved.
Who knew?
As for position players, we’ve already mentioned Kranepool and Hodges. Who trails them? Jose Reyes is third with 436 games. David Wright is fifth with 383 games. Let’s hope they are still on this list in 15 or 20 years and that they have left the esteemed Mr. Kranepool and Mr. Hodges in the dust. The odds aren’t promising, but let’s try to imagine their current long-term contracts merit renewal and renewal and renewal again.
Meanwhile, who’s in fourth? Who is wedged between Mr. Reyes and Mr. Wright as a Met to the core?
Go ahead. Guess.
Nope.
Not him either.
Give it another shot.
Sorry. The answer…the player who played more games in his definitively completed career as only a Met than any other player in Met history besides Ed Kranepool and Ron Hodges is…
Bruce Boisclair.
After Rick Baldwin and Bob Myrick, this isn’t a stunner. But still. Bruce Boisclair?
Sure. Why not? As Mets By The Numbers nailed it, “For some reason, Bruce Boisclair is one of those bit players whom Met fans remember vividly.” Indeed, Ultimate Mets Database has elicited nearly 70 Bruce Boisclair remembrances — nearly as many recollections of him as career RBI by him. That’s a lot of recall for someone who was never more than a fourth outfielder on a series of lousy teams. Bruce Boisclair apparently stayed with us in more ways than one.
I can envision Bruce in the mind’s eye, too. The hair is flowing. The frame is lean. The number is 4 (drilled into memory by the Mets being so cheap on Old Timers Day 1979 that they lent their ’69 returnees current players’ tops and Swoboda ripped the tape off the back of the one he was issued and wore a uniform that said BOISCLAIR). I remember being a little carried away by Bruce Boisclair flirting with .300 in 1976. I could even summon in my head the walkoff hit I stumbled across on Retrosheet last week when I was looking for an episode of Mets-Gerald Ford synergy. I also remember slowly settling into a morass of disappointment that Bruce Boisclair never blossomed into Al Oliver. But in an era of deep disappointment, who would blame Bruce Boisclair for more than a fraction of the prevailing malaise?
Nevertheless, within a franchise that promoted Darryl Strawberry, Edgardo Alfonzo and Cleon Jones from its minor league ranks, what does it say that the homegrown Mets who stuck around forever the longest for certain are Ed Kranepool, Ron Hodges and Bruce Boisclair?
I’m not sure I want to know.
The entire list of exclusive Mets is available via Baseball Reference‘s Frivolities feature.
And a worthy alternative countdown of the “Top 50 Mets of All-Time” is underway at Eric Simon’s Amazin’ Avenue. He’s up to his No. 44, someone who was No. 22 on our 2005 countdown and, like Boisclair and Swoboda, will always own a piece of No. 4 in Met numerical lore.
by Greg Prince on 8 January 2007 1:21 am
The Jets were disappointing and the Giants were heartbreaking.
And just like that, it’s forgotten.
Let’s Go Mets!
by Greg Prince on 8 January 2007 1:21 am
The Jets were disappointing and the Giants were heartbreaking.
And just like that, it’s forgotten.
Let’s Go Mets!
by Greg Prince on 7 January 2007 4:17 pm
Jets at 1:00. Giants after 4:00. Some variation on this schedule has been in place almost every week since early September, but it rarely made me blink. September was for baseball. October was for baseball. November was for not getting over baseball. December was for beginning to get over baseball.
It’s January. I’m ready for some baseball. But until it’s within reach, I’ll settle for some football.
Pro football! Playoff football! Both New York pro teams playing playoff football in the same postseason for only the fifth postseason ever!
I’m so psyched I’m gonna go headbutt both of my cats.
On a Sunday morning when I manage to be awake and anticipant of a Jets playoff game, I think back to another of these relatively rare occasions, eight years ago prior to the AFC championship against the Broncos. The bagel place in our neighborhood was so caught up in the moment that it added a shot of green food coloring to their primary inventory.
At least I think it was food coloring.
Talk about rooting for the laundry (or the dye). These are my teams but I’d be hard-pressed, even as a semi-voluntary recipient of Jets and Giants news for the past week, to name ten players on each squad.
I root for the helmets, the logos, the jerseys and the pants (though let’s shove those horrendous red tops and nauseating green trousers deep into the closet). I root for them because I still believe their respective presences in the tournament to be a delightful novelty. I root for them because they are our teams even though they don’t play in our state anymore. I root for them because the Mets are idle.
Go Jets! Go Giants! Hold New England to a bagel and shmear Philadelphia like cream cheese.
And if you still don’t find watching football particularly appetizing, listen to Jake and Andrew at Metropolitan Podcast. In the current edition, they feature an interview with yours truly about 60% of the way in (though feel free to listen to the whole show). We talk FAFIF and Citi Field and Mets whatnot like three Mets fans chatting on the phone.
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